Bruins Nation Apparently Doesn’t Like Opinions

by UCLA

BruinsNation4234I have always been of the belief that despite being a USC student and diehard fan that I have the capability of rationally analyzing a sporting event even if the Trojans are in the middle of it. Of course, I have my biases, but don’t all writers? Sports Illustrated’s Stewart Mandel is a Northwestern graduate, SI.com’s Arash Markazi is a USC alumnus, and ESPN’s Gene Wojciechowski is a Tennessee grad. So do the simple facts that I happen to take classes at the University of Southern California and root for the Trojans on Saturdays thus bar me from expressing opinions on the inner-workings of college football? I like to think that it doesn’t, but if you’re an editor at the Bruins Nation, it apparently makes me unreadable.

To put this all into proper context, I happened to read an article at the Bruins Nation.com earlier this morning entitled: “Remembering Those Images For Next 370 Days” in which it discusses how close the Bruins were to overtaking the Trojans in last night’s 28-7 defeat while optimistically looking forward to next year’s contest at the Rose Bowl. After reading the post, I took offense to the writer’s tendency to look back at the game and suggest that UCLA would have easily won provided certain events did not occur such as Kevin Prince’s interception in the first half and the generally poor officiating. Therefore, I decided to post my thoughts on the article in the comments section:

Whenever I read game recaps here, especially when it comes to USC-UCLA contests, it is flooded with the word “if” throughout. I mean seriously, get over it:

If not for Prince’s ill advised throw the score would have been tied at 0-0 at half time (at least 3-0 in our favor if the referees weren’t persuaded by the Pom Pom’s lobbying and the homer announcers egging it on television).”

Ya, well if Pete Rose didn’t gamble on the Reds and baseball, he’d probably be in the hall-of-fame. If Texas didn’t have Vince Young in the 2006 Rose Bowl, USC would probably still be selling three peat national title shirts in the student bookstore. If Kobe and Shaq hadn’t argued as much and had become good friends instead, the Lakers probably would have a few more championship banners hanging in the rafters at Staples Center.

The fact is that none of that happened. Prince made an errant throw and he paid for it. Just because you don’t like the outcome and it may have been a boneheaded play, does not give you the right to totally discredit it. It’s a completely faulty argument and silly to rationalize a recap on it. ‘If he didn’t make that dumb play, UCLA would have still been it.” Well, of course they would still be in it.

But the fact of the matter is that it happened and you need to move on. As for the poor officiating give me a break. The Trojans had 12 penalties compared to the Bruins’ 5. UCLA lost this football game because they turned the football over. Period. You cannot go on the road, particularly in a rivalry game, and expect to win when your offense turns the ball over 4 times. It’s just not going to happen.

Just two minutes, after posting this I received a message that read “you are banned from Bruins Nation: you can browse the blog, but you can’t participate.” (note: I was not able to recover the full entity of my comments post because it was immediately removed from the site) A few minutes following, the site editor Nestor quickly posted another message:

Attention Trojan Jackholes posting in this thread
Read the byline of this blog (if you can read):

“Blog Of The Bruins, By The Bruins, For The Bruins”

So get lost. We don’t want you here in the coming days.

Well, I would normally address Nestor or a similar site editor via private e-mail after a banning like this, but I feel this quick tendency of Bruins Nation to ban people with dissenting opinions needs to be brought to the forefront of the blogosphere, especially at this particular moment. Nowhere in the course of my argument did I unreasonably criticize UCLA for the sake of “smack talk.” I merely sought to raise the point that too often fans, particularly those hailing from Westwood, cast aside a loss because of a few inopportune events. (In this case, Prince’s interceptions and a few “non-calls” by the officials.) But in the end, the bottom line is that if you want to post at BN, you must be in total agreement with popular held beliefs by Bruin fans:

Any insult or any comment that would be perceived as an insult, attack or a lecture to the moderators could be subjected deletion, warning or subsequent banning. The moderators reserve the right to delete any post or comment that is deemed not appropriate for Bruins Nation. Also, we will not tolerate any lectures to moderators on how they should run this community.

Also note (Trojans pay close attention to this) if you insult UCLA or anyone/anything associated with UCLA you could be subjected to immediate banning. There are lots of message boards to engage in cheap trash/smack talk.

After reading my remarks thoroughly, I am still searching for the part, where I deliberately and viciously attacked the site editors. Yes, I did raise a somewhat controversial opinion in regards to how the UCLA community should be handling the loss to USC, but I failed to deliberately insult UCLA or its fans for the sole purpose of inciting a flame war in the comments section. Look, my sole intent was to raise a viewpoint, and within minutes, the thought police Nestor removed the comment and had me banned from the site because my opinions did not conform to the Bruins Nation’s commonly accepted beliefs.

At the end of the day, a sports blog is supposed to not only provide news regarding a particular team or sport but also foster structured and rational debate regarding a particular set of issues. This circumstance suggests to me that UCLA fan blogs such as Bruins Nation are not willing to accept that notion. In fact, they are eager to go about and do whatever is necessary to dispel of it and promote their own agenda – UCLA athletics. While I understand that a fan blog would be eager to highlight its own team, it is also important to realize that it needs to be open to dissenting opinions provided they are articulated in a coherent and reasonable manor. It has become quite evident that BN is not open to this concept as evident by their banning and public embarrasment of me (see: the Trojan jackhole reference and if you can read inference).

So, in regards to the future, I implore blogs and websites with similar community guidelines as Bruins Nation, to lift these restrictions and allow for a greater debate among fans. Because at the end of the day, there is no point of a  website’s existence if it does not allow for opinions to be shared, as fans should not and eventually cannot be silenced.

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Kyle,

At the risk of injecting politics into this but hoping to revive this thread, what do you expect form a coterie of doctrinaire liberals who supposedly espouse free speech until it runs athwart their sensitivities.

I graduated from UCLA in '68 and dislike USC but do NOT harbor any of the unbridled enmity they possess over at BN. It's a college rivalry, fercrissakes, and there are many, many fine graduates from both schools.

What I find almost shocking is that the vitriolic hatred and lack of tolerance over at BN is not confined to students, wing nut crazy UCLA fans, and new alums. Some of the older guys there -- guys who graduated in the 60's and 70s' -- are equally infected. This includes lawyers and professionals.

It is truly sad that the central location for UCLA Bruin fandom is occupied by such babies.

Tangentially, they are now screaming for the head of Rick Neuheisel (as am I) and I noted some rebukes to those who sought to defend him.

*sigh*

"Can't we all just get along?"

Yeah I just got banned from BNation for defending Ben Howland. Apparently that's the new taboo over their. Those guys are beyond pathetic.

..I echo Jeff's and GoBruins' sentiments. I used to post enthusiastically over at Bruins Nation but hadn't been doing so recently. I returned a few months ago and was surprised at the level of vitriol -- especially surrounding SCs NCAA suspension, etc.

I *am* a UCLA grad and fan but it gets a little wearying reading the over-the-top and unhinged hatred they have for USC. I mean "bitter" rivalry is one thing; hateful obsession is quite another.

Then -- with the advent of the two stink bombs UCLA uncorked in their opener and last Saturday's loss to Stanford -- the mood over there has decidedly darkened. I made some normal, unexceptional posts about UCLA's distinct lack of offense and how eight years without a standout quarterback is trying on one's patience.

*Wham* Down the glory hole!

If you visit their threads you will note that others have suffered a similar fate. And, of course, Nestor holds forth explaining his application of the "rules".

Now I run a blog and maintain I can do whatever the hell I wish with commenters. Even if I don't like the guy's nick-name, he's history. But my venue is right wing conservative politics and not a major player on the blogosphere.

Bruins Nation, on the other hand, is *the* place to hang out (or so we were led to believe) and it is a very high profile "watering hole" for the Bruin faithful. As such, there should be something more than the capricious, male menstrual-cramp anger as the reason for deleting posts.

More than that, however, is the question of Nestor's 24/7 stewardship question of BN. From a post over at an SC fan site:

"Speaking of wasting taxpayers' money,

Does everyone here know that Murshed Zaheed, the "brains" behind BruinsNation, is the Director of Internet Communications at Harry Reid's office, and, as such, he is on the government payroll. The man posts six, seven times a day. Does he do so on government servers? While on the government dime? Hmmmm..."

(URL: http://www.insidesocal.com/usc/archives/2009/03/us...)

Hope he *isn't doing this on the taxpayer's dime. It woudl surely be embarrassing if he got caught -- especially given the precarious position Harry Reid's in nowadays.

But..phooey! Let's face it; truth be told, my pride's been hurt because two comments I made never saw light of day. And maybe he *is* applying the rules uniformly. But, to be honest, with the recriminations and acrimony over there, I am just not interested in making the effort to participate any more.

If you find a decent blog of, by, and for Bruins, Jeff, let me know.

I am a UCLA graduate and I can confirm that BruinsNation is not about being a Bruin or Trojan or whatever, it is simply Nestor's propaganda to try to make every "Bruin" think the way he does, which frankly is embarrassing to most Bruins. Hopefully SB Nation and/or UCLA itself eventually take notice and put a stop to this embarrassing charade of a blog.

Yes Nestor is a jerk. My comments have been deleted simply because I had a difference of opinion with him and I am an UCLA alum. I hope that Bruins have another sports blog, where the blog management is a little more classy.

I need to however tell you this that Nestor and others like him do not represent the entire UCLA Bruins community. Infact, its a shame that people like this are spoiling the good sportsmanship between two storied rivals.

Even UCLA fans know Nestor is a douche.

Joey, your right, but what were you thinking was going to happen? whats your point here? you called every UCLA fan an immature complainer after the got decimated. how could you possibly not think that bruins would be sore about that game? Would you want some to post that on Trojan Wire if the bruins had won? I think its pretty hasty and far too rash to say that Bruin Nation does not allow Trojan's to post on their site. They do but not when it's rubbing sandpaper on a brand new wound! I think you went too far with your extrapolation. In the end, remember it's a pro bruin website, thats why it's called bruin nation. It gives Pro Bruin News, just Like Trojan wire gives pro Trojan news.

Murshed Zaheed aka Nestor is a government employee and if you google his name you will find it is many believe he moderates the BN on our (fellow taxpayers) dime. I have been an SC fan my whole life, but before being subjected to the BN banhammer; I usually favored the bRUINS against OOC foes, and had great admiration for the Bball accomplishments. However, since reading the hate filled fan posts on BN have come to fully appreciate the fUCLA attitude and now embrace it.

Nestor and his ilk are the bane of sports commentary. I don't know why they bother with allowing comments at all when they edit out anything that doesn't echo their viewpoint. I can't stand to hear their negativism and stupidity any longer. I think it comes from Nestor (and many of his cronies) being involved in politics/lawyers. Now I have many friends who are are law/politics, but there is always the guy that is so extreme it makes you uncomfortable to be around. Their cause is righteous, they cannot allow any conflicting opinions.

As a UCLA alum, I understand that hating SC is supposed to be FUN and when they come to Pauley or the Rose Bowl, I hope we all have a good time yelling insults at each other. More people need to stand up to the jerks on both sides who take things too far.

Yea, I wrote a bit longer response that didn't get accepted, and I don't feel like writing it out again, but I will paraphrase.

Basically, its not a very fun site to visit, and the only reason I do is for news I might not otherwise get from major news sources.

The blog is bitter, facist, and a complete misrepresentation of the average hardcore bruin fan.

Bruins Nation is not a fun place to be, and I have a ton of fun on other blogs that have way worse teams than UCLA basketball or football.

UCLA fans deserve better, something more open and with more humility. Something where all opinions may be served. I was disgusted with the blanket statement that anyone would be banned following the recent USC-UCLA game for even attempting to look anyway but an extremist viewpoint at what USC did.

Hopefully, another UCLA blog on SBN can compete with them because I am simply not satisfied with the bitter and rude nature on that blog. I don't participate because I just do not want to engage this particular group of UCLA fans.

Heh. Welcome to the club. I got banned three years ago for having the audacity to say that I believed Karl Dorrell would be able to coach the Bruins to a victory over USC in what would end up being the 13 - 9 game.

Yep. Banned for predicting a Ucla win. On a Ucla website. Against the Ucla arch-rivals. My crime? Apparently it was saying positive things about Karl Dorrell, in opposition to the strict party line over there. And brother, do those people not tolerate dissent.

Bruins Nation is a running joke among the other college blogs, more a punch line or boogeyman than anything else. They are what they are, a very vocal and bitter pack of angry children, wallowing in their own hatred and completely blinded by their own (growing) rage.

Par for the course for Nestor and all his Mods, just a bunch of Babys

That's hilarious. I guess I see their point that it's a site for their fans and they don't need you to rain on their already rainy parade, but seriously, they banned you? A little pathetic.

Hi Joey,

I would like to say that the Bruins blog reaction to you came as a surprise but of course it didn't. When a person is mired in the mediocrity known as UCLA football, it serves them well to A) engage in revisionist history so they can make themselves feel better about their sorry program and B) Resort to censorship to preserve and protect their shrinking fan base from drying up completely.

You are fair, despite your allegiance to USC and my only regret is that you wasted time trying to reach out to their unenlightened asses.